**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 19, 2003 20:12:03 --> chantz (Infogrames@pool-141-157-170-102.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #moo3 20:12:06 and watchind DX crash. 20:12:10 moo!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:12:17 * ExtremePumpkin wishes he haddn't reinstalled the kanga 20:12:23 lol 20:12:24 chantz...hmm 20:12:24 long time no see chantz 20:12:35 that piece of crap 20:12:36 * ExtremePumpkin watches it as it crashes horribly 20:12:52 heya folks 20:13:00 :) 20:13:01 its cool watching the battles that happen when you try and start a multiplayer game (and click turn) 20:13:03 amazing to see you people still havent fled to havana for a few weeks 20:13:16 EP, you're just torturing yourself, like I DID do may years ago... 20:13:23 arent the 3 weeks after Gold always holiday days 20:13:24 so many years ago ;) 20:13:28 --- ChanServ sets channel limit to 39 20:13:37 whats the game that is going into alpha that you were talking about on the forums chantz? 20:13:42 holiday? never heard of em... 20:13:45 :\ 20:13:57 D&D Heroes 20:14:06 ah rpg? 20:14:07 :o 20:14:14 action rpg 20:14:15 hey, howya doing chantz 20:14:15 console isnt it 20:14:17 console only 20:14:22 dang :) 20:14:23 a la BG: Dark Alliance 20:14:31 3rd ed char rules 20:14:37 built arounf 4 player coop 20:14:38 disgusting mock up of my favourite games of all time :( 20:14:43 single screen 20:14:46 dynamic 20:15:02 really fun 20:15:10 I hope its not dumbed down d&d :-) 20:15:21 nice. we have begun spectulating if QS coould be doing MoM2 next :) 20:15:27 * ExtremePumpkin wonders why there is a music file in the graphics folder 20:15:42 #mom2 is ready in anticipation 20:15:57 ExtremePumpkin what do you mean? we have the #mom2 channel set up already :D 20:16:08 hey, let me in too :) 20:16:13 on the kangamoo 20:16:24 theres a music file in the testpatterns graphics folder :D 20:16:29 yes and no 20:16:30 it's like BG DA 20:16:39 but 4 player 20:16:39 DA? 20:16:40 more than 3 classes :p 20:16:46 oh yeah, there's stuff EVERYWHERE in the kangamoo 20:17:13 lol :D 20:17:23 its cool watching those purple people beat the crap out of the rest 20:17:57 --> Reaper1978 (Reaper1978@h24-71-29-25.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #moo3 20:17:57 heck, why does it all end up ion violence? :) 20:18:08 moo! 20:18:13 moo 20:18:23 ack ion violence...sounds kinky 20:18:28 --- ChanServ sets channel limit to 40 20:18:29 LOL 20:18:42 my keyboard is running out of batteries, yes, thats it :) 20:18:56 good lord no. 20:19:22 enjoying the reviews? 20:19:27 yes indeed 20:19:28 yep 20:19:28 so far, so good :) 20:19:33 just finished the orionsector one 20:19:36 too much even :) 20:19:43 the facts are getting bored into my skull 20:19:45 only raises our level of anticipation :) 20:19:51 waiting for the game to get down here then i will be happy :) 20:20:04 i know its painful to read that stuff knowing we still ahve to wait for so long.. 20:20:05 I was greatly amused to see the IG mail system fry under the conspiracy theory mails 20:20:09 and that "minor" harvester leak at ugo.com was fun too :) 20:20:12 yes, i wish we had hardware accelerated space combat... 20:20:19 * MD *mmfmmmfmm* 20:20:25 i knew we'd get knocked a bit for that 20:20:35 no where near as much as I thought though 20:20:38 we'll hopefully rectify it ;) 20:20:43 Ign gave a glowing gfx section 20:20:58 the combat graphics are cool. 20:20:58 people just dont expect the space battles to be mind blowing..and that helps 20:21:23 game is taken as it is, and not through hype 20:21:23 gameplay wise they ARE mindblowing :) 20:21:31 the ancient evil of gaming .. 20:21:32 heh 20:21:45 --- Kelda009 is now known as kelda|back_soon 20:21:55 hate hype 20:21:58 :( 20:22:09 --> _StREAk_ (_StREAk_@198.209.31.217) has joined #moo3 20:22:11 i'm forced to do it tho... 20:22:24 part of my job 20:22:30 i'm so glad that it seems you guys managed to finally make an AI worth talking about. So many years have passed since a strategy game has had decent AI 20:22:43 mainly in the diplomacy, heh 20:22:47 ai=hard 20:22:50 very hard 20:22:52 i wish I could talk from experience :) 20:22:53 :\ 20:22:57 indeed 20:23:01 in everything 20:23:20 its sad thats overlooked ...the funds just dont stretch I guess 20:23:28 --- ChanServ sets channel limit to 41 20:23:35 action=reaction and there are so many in moo3 that it is mind boggling 20:23:49 not so much funds but tuning time 20:23:59 which equates to funds 20:24:06 I saw in an interview that you are thinking of adding a new "module" in a patch 20:24:14 replacement or something new? 20:24:43 qsi and i are still discussing that ;) 20:24:58 <-- newbified has quit (Quit: wow...it's a quit message :D) 20:25:00 better wait from our feedback :) 20:25:06 --> newbified (doobedoo@ip68-6-227-23.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #moo3 20:25:14 always a good idea 20:25:14 heck, positive feedback :) 20:25:34 s/from/for dang 20:25:37 i got my 1st real box today, that was cool 20:25:37 a real box too, not a mini 20:25:41 can never be opened 20:25:48 :o 20:25:50 don't even look at it 20:25:55 heh 20:25:58 <_StREAk_> lol 20:26:17 by mini I assume you mean the compulsory rubbish euro dvd box :( 20:26:27 <_StREAk_> gunna sell it on ebay someday eh chantz 20:26:28 good job I'm importing 20:26:34 lol 20:26:46 no, those are keepsakes 20:26:54 now that could be interesting. selling copies of moo3 on ebay :P 20:27:00 along with system shock 2 20:27:10 thief tdp 20:27:11 praise to that one :) 20:27:16 you worked on those titles? 20:27:20 flight unlimited 1,2,3 20:27:30 me=LG 7+ years 20:27:31 how I miss LGS :( 20:27:34 what the hell! 20:27:37 * illuminatus hugs chantz 20:27:46 no one more than the people who used to work there bud 20:27:48 I own every one of LGS games ;D 20:27:57 i miss that place EVERY day 20:28:08 looking glass made really nice games. 20:28:10 its the most well remembered game studio ever :\ 20:28:25 good job the staff live on in irrational and Ion Storm 20:28:30 very exciting places atm 20:28:32 so did Ultimate fro the spectrum :) 20:28:33 ops 20:28:49 brb, phone k? 20:28:54 20:29:16 talking to some one from lgs has made my bloody day *sniff* 20:30:38 i just wish i could make them decide to go for mom2 next :) 20:30:58 * illuminatus suspects that QSI are really after that in a big way 20:31:03 i miss killing blue dragons :) 20:31:06 sad to see micropose go too really 20:31:21 I'm playing AOM2 and am getting a similar vibe to Mom 20:31:25 s'good 20:31:45 <_StREAk_> i had a couple of cool simulators on c64 from micropose 20:31:51 F1? 20:32:00 OMG A chantz sighting =P 20:32:00 so anything new? 20:32:00 --- Davall|Dinner is now known as davall 20:32:07 hey chantz is here. Heya chantz, how are you doing? 20:32:13 the game that reminded me of mom was hmm(4) the combat part . 20:32:15 all too brief. 20:32:19 Nick Davall 20:32:19 oops 20:32:20 --- davall is now known as Davall 20:32:23 :) 20:32:32 Aom2 was like homm on steroids 20:32:43 I like it a lot so far. 20:32:51 * ExtremePumpkin goes to sleep 20:32:53 <_StREAk_> whata Aom2 20:33:07 idiot! 20:33:09 AoW2 20:33:13 stupid brain 20:33:16 :( 20:33:21 call it an heresy, but i would prefer a mom2 too moo3 :) 20:33:30 to 20:33:38 Age of wonders 2 .... brain getting slower...losing power....shuttin.......... 20:33:41 HERESY 20:33:43 Both have potential equal value =P 20:33:49 :) 20:34:04 I tend to like the fantasy setting too 20:34:13 But MoO is, well MOO damnit 20:35:10 sorry folks, back 20:35:20 * illuminatus tips hat 20:35:33 No biggie, Rantz goes on extended breaks in here all the time, we are used to it 20:35:41 <_StREAk_> lol 20:35:47 that was Ken Levine fromn Irrational (Freedom Force guys) on the phone 20:35:53 lol 20:35:54 he messes up the hot tub too 20:35:57 copngrats on 9.2 20:35:57 hah! 20:36:08 god damn it... I just finished that game yesterday 20:36:09 the hype :) 20:36:11 FF was a cute game 20:36:18 tell him next time... the ending was fantastic! 20:36:25 anyway, he's a very close friend of mine 20:36:37 lives up the street 20:36:39 our wives hang 20:36:40 we game ;) 20:36:42 heh 20:36:44 TimeMaster Rules me :( 20:36:47 heh 20:37:03 you hanged your wives? :) 20:37:05 * Davall would ask about the LMW comments earlier, but naaaaah 20:37:11 lol! 20:37:18 ;-) 20:37:29 no, we got gals who totally understand our insanity 20:37:31 FF is a great game 20:37:37 D yes it is 20:37:38 lucky guys :) 20:37:43 i helped test 20:37:45 I am sure they want to hang Chantz, not vice versa 20:37:48 in the credits 20:38:00 so chantz, hows it going? is it a relief to be over with moo3 for a little while? :) 20:38:00 =P 20:38:02 irrational have the most wonderful ability to add polish to their games... je ne se pas ;\ 20:38:05 it's never over ;) 20:38:25 ill, ex LG guys, whaddya expect ;) 20:38:37 the last mission was well balanced and wondefully stressful :D 20:38:43 of course 20:38:59 yes 20:39:02 jon chey 20:39:08 lead programmer 20:39:16 one of my best friends 20:39:23 BRILLIANT 20:39:30 game designer 20:39:38 grr wish I had friends in the business ;( 20:39:42 btw chantz from the decent reviews so far, looks like you have a hit on your hands. Pant pant pant just one more week pant pant pant 20:39:59 <_StREAk_> lol 20:40:13 well, more reviews to come 20:40:14 Have you had a chance to peak at any of the preorder numbers? 20:40:19 hopefully they'll be similar in nature 20:40:27 Davall, yes 20:40:32 *nod* 20:40:44 i never count my chickens 20:40:55 but i'm felling pretty good about it ;) 20:40:55 GameRankigs Avg Ratio: 92% 20:40:58 Zcenicx mentioned the Scandinavian region had some good preorders from where he worked 20:41:22 2:1 vs U2 and UT2k combined 20:41:27 it has been a sleeper hit I think...just from looking at polls 20:41:42 yes, at least it's all LEAVING the warehouse around the same time for global distribution 20:41:45 it's all about good games 20:41:50 make a good game 20:41:55 and people will buy it 20:41:58 simple 20:42:03 my philosophy 20:42:06 moo is special :) 20:42:08 as you can tell... good games = good rep 20:42:15 getting there, now that's the hard part ;) 20:42:24 chantz there you go. Remember gameplay is the most important thing :) 20:42:33 LGS had it...and are now so well regarded... I sweat whenever I hear the name 20:42:33 Not trying to jerk your chain, but is the ship date going to be the 25th, or the "we are allowed to sell" date the 25th? 20:43:01 then again...they did "Die Young" 20:43:11 mmm yellow tool tips 20:43:17 I picked up a copy of thief 2 a short time ago. Haven't installed it yet. I want to play it. Anyone tried that? 20:43:18 it'll be on shelves the 26th; most stores will get it ON the 25th and they will stock 20:43:19 Hmmm 20:43:22 T2 = awesome 20:43:34 Play T1 1st if you haven't 20:43:37 But there is no hold date on it once it ships? Sorry to ask questions you have probably heard 10000000 times 20:43:39 yes Devistate 20:43:44 Devistate: worth it, if you like stealh/backstab :) 20:43:44 my 4th fav game ever 20:43:47 Thief is great 20:43:51 a work of art 20:43:53 :) 20:43:57 thanks guys 20:44:02 Genre breaker 20:44:02 yep 20:44:12 chantz I haven't tried t1, but I got t2 because it was like $5 from gogamer.com when I was ordering expansion for AvP2 :) 20:44:17 a story to die for... the VO as usual brilliant 20:44:21 what is t1/t2? 20:44:25 especially Brother K ;) 20:44:29 Thief 1 Thief 2 20:44:36 ExtremePumpkin thief 1 and thief 2 20:44:36 funny how the game started 20:44:39 from looking glass if I reemmber right 20:44:41 Life will be good once Thief 3 comes out 20:44:43 thief, made from Unreal engine afaik, we more "awareness" :) 20:44:49 Originally called Dark Camelot 20:45:01 they have the best they've got on T3 Davall.... Warren S. 20:45:28 brb, my keyb is eating keystrokes 20:45:35 I rememeber seeing the videos to T1... mind blowing.... the enemies talked to you! it was like Dark Forces... they responded to you! 20:45:36 The vibe was thus 20:45:45 Inverted autharian mythos 20:45:45 Good, that series is pure Flagship material 20:45:45 knights and king arthur bad guys 20:45:51 morgana/mordred good guys 20:45:56 * ExtremePumpkin is all giddy about moo3 again after playing around with the kangamoo 20:45:57 <-- _StREAk_ has quit (Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22) 20:46:08 guinnevere was a lesbian 20:46:08 serious 20:46:08 w00t! LMW! 20:46:15 how the hell did you end up with Garrett then... the original Anti Hero ;o 20:46:15 --> _Streak2_ (_StREAk_@198.209.31.217) has joined #moo3 20:46:15 --- _Streak2_ is now known as _StREAk_ 20:46:17 LOL 20:46:31 <-- kelda|back_soon has quit (Quit: cyas later) 20:46:40 leasbians, space whores ... i get the idea :) 20:47:02 and we were going to wrap it all around this stylized gritty name of the rose 20:47:02 ExtremePumpkin whats kangamoo? 20:47:03 type story 20:47:16 kangamoo is a really really old alpha of moo3 20:47:17 the focus was on swordfighting using a gesture system 20:47:20 I think every game should have LMW in it to some degree or another. Screw the ESRB ratings 20:47:20 moving the mouse and such 20:47:59 anyway, it was hopless because Doug Church was never satisfied with the way the system worked (it kinda sucked) 20:48:12 so after about 9 months of dev 20:48:17 we had this art vibe 20:48:22 with no game 20:48:31 --- ChanServ sets channel limit to 40 20:48:31 in a depserate meeting 20:48:50 Paul Neurath, owner and managing director (and brilliant game designer) 20:48:50 ExtremePumpkin blah a moo3 alpha? I dont want that I want the real thing :) 20:48:59 hit upon the idea of stealing 20:49:10 * Devistate runs to steal moo3 :) j/k 20:49:16 and them...BOOM, electricity 20:49:22 good ideas inspire 20:49:32 Devistate, you asked me what the kangamoo was, so i told you 20:49:57 anyway, sorry for the longwinded story, just kinda funny 20:50:00 a POS, lol! 20:50:00 ExtremePumpkin ok. Thanks? :) 20:50:10 :P it wont even close when i try to using the taks manager 20:50:15 chantz personally I like to hear stories like that stuff that general public doesn't know 20:50:17 an insight into the industry 20:50:26 finally! 20:50:37 chantz it gives game development more of a feel that real people were involved, not someone in ivory towers :) 20:50:39 * ExtremePumpkin gives it a swift kick 20:50:48 <_StREAk_> lol 20:50:49 hey, i'm kinda quiet about trumpeting my own horn.. 20:50:50 especially about games that have actually carved out the way the industry works... 20:50:54 it's all about the games man 20:51:16 not some game god, ughhh 20:51:18 * ExtremePumpkin dances about as explorer crashes. 20:51:23 and it looks like a bunch of real people were involved in moo3, reading the reviews :) 20:51:34 * illuminatus throws darts at Peter Molyneux's poster 20:51:35 i mean there's old school respect and all 20:51:55 but really, it gets a little out of hand 20:52:13 hah, the fans would rip your clothes from your backs 20:52:27 <_StREAk_> lol 20:52:29 ..if they were signed T-shirts 20:52:38 nothing like a singed T-shirt :\ 20:52:48 ...not singed... ack 20:52:55 we all have LG jackets 20:52:55 ex LGers 20:53:02 Nah all the finns in here would swarm with large trout 20:53:02 and when i wear it sometimes 20:53:02 *whap whap whap* 20:53:03 i get, well, stopped on the street and stuff 20:53:08 :) 20:53:10 illuminatus theres a differance between signed and singed :) 20:53:10 it's really cool 20:53:26 yup 20:53:30 because i'll usually say, lets grab a coffee and chat for a bit 20:53:31 Oooooh 20:53:35 now you know how Shiny felt in the early 90's ;p 20:53:36 MOO Chantz!!! 20:53:47 whoo..Earth Worm Jim... 20:53:49 met some really cool people that way 20:53:50 <-- newbified has quit (Quit: wow...it's a quit message :D) 20:53:56 real community 20:53:56 chantz you are making me want to take a trip to your area :) 20:53:57 bleh, had to load up my alternate shell 20:54:09 he must live inside Silicon Valley 20:54:16 good game community in Boston 20:54:16 Irrational 20:54:21 Stainless Steel 20:54:22 truly 20:54:29 oh boston..what a wierd surpise 20:54:37 you go to Ubercon Chantz? 20:54:40 Mad Doc 20:54:40 IG 20:55:00 <-- tom_bombadil has quit (Quit: Leaving) 20:55:29 IG?? 20:55:29 Impressions 20:55:29 Papyrus 20:55:37 more... 20:55:37 Turbine 20:55:40 kangamoo buggered exploder! yay :P 20:55:43 etc.. 20:55:43 does IG belong in that list? ;) 20:55:43 anyway, we all meet once a month for drinks and bitch sessions ;) 20:55:44 heh 20:55:50 well, i work for IG, so..... 20:55:56 i guess 20:56:04 publishers are always the fans great enemy 20:56:05 hey, there are really good people at IG 20:56:06 and some not so good 20:56:09 unfairly I expect 20:56:09 like anywhere else 20:56:29 * illuminatus shakes fist 20:56:44 well, it's never black and white 20:56:47 <-- _StREAk_ has quit (Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22) 20:56:55 ExtremePumpkin well it is internet exploder afterall :) 20:56:55 i mean, a publisher put LG out of business 20:57:00 --> _StREAk_ (_StREAk_@198.209.31.217) has joined #moo3 20:57:05 nono not IE, Expoder :D 20:57:08 Well, tensions are running really high right now, just have to make it through to the weekend 20:57:08 dont talk about B&W please...*shudder* 20:57:09 you know the windows shell :D 20:57:11 yet here i am working for one 20:57:20 * ExtremePumpkin shakes back and forth at the mention of B&W 20:57:22 yeah give it a week or two chantz and everyone will forgive IG :) 20:57:33 JackShot: Welcome to #moo3. For Unreal questions, type "/join #ut2003" (without the quotes) in the main chat window. 20:57:33 --> JackShot (~Infograme@dhcp024-208-193-241.indy.rr.com) has joined #moo3 20:57:35 use to run the b&w channel here 20:57:45 * ExtremePumpkin shivers 20:57:46 I do not knbow if I would go that far Dev =) 20:57:46 and the Sacrifice one...but thats another sad story ;\ 20:57:49 IG really suprised me this time around and mostly in avery good way 20:57:50 * illuminatus loves Sacrifice 20:57:56 and IG will be patting themselves on the back for picking such a top seller 20:58:06 they put their trust in me to deliver the game 20:58:16 a novel approach 20:58:19 <_StREAk_> ahem MoM2 20:58:22 B&W, the if missed by an inch, yet 10k miles type of game 20:58:24 and i'm giving them something they didn't expect 20:58:31 --- ChanServ sets channel limit to 39 20:58:33 and everyone will live happily ever after :) 20:58:42 becasue if MOO3 knocks thier socks off 20:58:46 well 20:58:54 just think about the rest 20:58:54 A pleasant evening to all 20:58:55 do I hear promotion + expansion? 20:58:58 ;0 20:59:03 <_StREAk_> lol 20:59:11 oh no, he's being abducted :) 20:59:16 ;o 20:59:24 Let's get the game on the shelves before we worry about patches and expansions =) 20:59:24 i don't WANT a promotion; that's the last thing i want 20:59:25 Moo3 will "knock their socks off" :D becuase its a good game. *nods* 20:59:28 more money is always good tho ;) 20:59:32 heh 20:59:45 illuminatus hopefully. A lot of the game companies are just firing people after a successfull launch. I pray that doesn't happen 20:59:55 and good games SELL 20:59:56 i'm not worrying about an expansion..I'm just hearing something that sounds like one. 21:00:02 Civ3 made a fair bit of $ so moo3 has got to make more :D 21:00:05 *tinckle tinckle* 21:00:07 yeah, and moo3 will. I'm sure of it 21:00:25 Civ 3 *shudder* 21:00:25 although i have my opinion that games like moo3 aren't for the majority... 21:00:36 MoO3 better outsell it EASILY 21:00:47 --- You have new mail (10209 messages, 10342281 bytes total). 21:00:47 chantz are you able to tell us about moo3 and LAN play? Is there a CD key system? Or do we just need to wait and find out in a week? 21:00:47 Was I the only person who liked Civ3? 21:00:47 MD, what's a majority? 21:00:51 Jackshot, Yes 21:01:01 what genre sells more... 21:01:07 a majority is something that plays The Sims. 21:01:17 *shakes* 21:01:20 MD deer hunter and barbie :) 21:01:24 if "the majority" means all the Joe Sixpack's who wander into the store and buy a game purely by looking at the box, then very few games are really made for the majority 21:01:27 there are 300-500,000+ rabid strategy fans out there 21:01:27 * Davall screams 21:01:31 fps's ... 21:01:36 'f it wasn't for everyone here liking the MoO series, I'd make comments about people's tastes in games. 21:01:51 guys, sorry, gotta run, door... 21:01:59 Civ 3 had a lot of potential but came up WAY short 21:02:01 <_StREAk_> cya 21:02:04 thanks for the visit, chantz. cya 21:02:04 bye 21:02:05 i'll check back in a little later after company leaves ;) 21:02:05 ciao chantz 21:02:12 <-- chantz has quit (Quit: Leaving)